Comments on: ‘My dream vac scheme wasn’t what I expected’ https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/my-dream-vac-scheme-wasnt-what-i-expected/ Legal news, insider insight and careers advice Sat, 29 Jun 2024 09:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: Anonymous https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/my-dream-vac-scheme-wasnt-what-i-expected/#comment-1194104 Sat, 29 Jun 2024 09:01:55 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206241#comment-1194104 I did a vacation scheme at a large private client firm that I was sure was right for me – then hated almost all of the two weeks there! I’m not training at a different firm and am much happier. You VS is a time where people have been told to “sell” the firm to you. If you’re not sold, don’t go!

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By: Oz Barrister https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/my-dream-vac-scheme-wasnt-what-i-expected/#comment-1193808 Thu, 27 Jun 2024 08:48:24 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206241#comment-1193808 In reply to Seasoned Lawyer.

Appalling attitude. Junior’s should be encouraged and assisted. As a senior legal professional it’s part of your job to mentor younger practitioners. How do they treat their secretaries????

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By: Opinion https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/my-dream-vac-scheme-wasnt-what-i-expected/#comment-1193674 Tue, 25 Jun 2024 10:01:32 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206241#comment-1193674 In reply to Kirkland NQ.

You know for being a random troll Kirkland NQ sure knows a lot about what rich people do with their money

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By: Anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/my-dream-vac-scheme-wasnt-what-i-expected/#comment-1193668 Tue, 25 Jun 2024 07:47:39 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206241#comment-1193668 In reply to Muad’Dib.

Name or didn’t happen.

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By: Archibald O'Pomposity https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/my-dream-vac-scheme-wasnt-what-i-expected/#comment-1193647 Mon, 24 Jun 2024 20:46:48 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206241#comment-1193647 You poor, sweet little soul. You just need validation. Well, you’ve come to the right place for a tummy-rub.

There, there. There, there. There, there.

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By: Trainee https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/my-dream-vac-scheme-wasnt-what-i-expected/#comment-1193642 Mon, 24 Jun 2024 19:44:23 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206241#comment-1193642 My vac scheme was a warm experience then when I got to my first seat it was like working behind enemy lines. Your experience is so dependent on team culture. Not all teams are made equal and all firms will have shite departments with no culture and filled to the brim with sociopaths.

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By: Trainee https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/my-dream-vac-scheme-wasnt-what-i-expected/#comment-1193633 Mon, 24 Jun 2024 18:56:16 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206241#comment-1193633 In reply to Anon.

My vac scheme was a warm experience then when I got to my first seat it was like working behind enemy lines. Your experience is so dependent on team culture. Not all teams are made equal and all firms will have shite departments with no culture and filled to the brim with sociopaths.

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By: Barney the tree https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/my-dream-vac-scheme-wasnt-what-i-expected/#comment-1193629 Mon, 24 Jun 2024 18:12:58 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206241#comment-1193629 In reply to Anon.

I have to agree despite your downvotes.

Treating a clearly nervous guest like shit just because they have no value to you is not a sign of a good employer.

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By: NQ https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/my-dream-vac-scheme-wasnt-what-i-expected/#comment-1193628 Mon, 24 Jun 2024 18:08:18 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206241#comment-1193628 This is the problem with law influencers… While I’m perfectly happy with my job, its not a ‘dream’ job in the same way i have a ‘dream’ car.

I’ve always found this dream firm concept so weird – you’re getting paid to work for someone doing legal (or “legal” if youre a trainee) work.

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By: The Voice of Experience https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/my-dream-vac-scheme-wasnt-what-i-expected/#comment-1193625 Mon, 24 Jun 2024 18:01:39 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206241#comment-1193625 “Dreams” by definition include “nightmares”.

You may have had a lucky escape.

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By: Muad’Dib https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/my-dream-vac-scheme-wasnt-what-i-expected/#comment-1193607 Mon, 24 Jun 2024 12:52:18 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206241#comment-1193607 I had a very similar experience albeit for the duration of my TC at a US firm which doesn’t offer vac schemes (but of course makes room for clients’ kids…).

With a handful of exceptions which usually came as the result of new joiners from superior firms, all I witnessed was complete apathy and disinterest. It wasn’t exactly that people were massive d***heads shouting at me or making unreasonable demands, more so a general lack of anything resembling a team, culture, goal or form of belonging. That goes without mentioning the fact that training in any meaningful sense of the word simply didn’t exist, to the extent that if you hadn’t paralegalled in some teams prior to your TC then it was a case of google and good luck. But then it would have been foolish to expect training from associates who in any given seat were gone about three months after your first week.

Needless to say that two years later I joined the ~50% of every trainee intake that leaves on qualification (not that you’d find this on the legalcheek front page) and have been much happier and much better skilled as a practitioner ever since.

I was nervous about moving in case every firm was the same, but I can now say from my own experience that you deserve better, and can find better, than what you were subject to on your VS.

Obligatory note that of course I was grateful for the TC and getting paid, this was all a few years ago and things could have changed etc etc.

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By: Kirkland partner https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/my-dream-vac-scheme-wasnt-what-i-expected/#comment-1193605 Mon, 24 Jun 2024 11:26:02 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206241#comment-1193605 In reply to Kirkland NQ.

Ha, Lambo branded, very cute. You’re just a young pup with a lot to learn. Maybe one day I’ll introduce you to Mansory and you can have a real G lambo.

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By: Anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/my-dream-vac-scheme-wasnt-what-i-expected/#comment-1193604 Mon, 24 Jun 2024 11:17:40 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206241#comment-1193604 In reply to Go with your gut instinct.

And when you do land your TC/job don’t be naive in the workplace. Your colleagues are NOT your friend until one of you has left the firm/dept. Do not share personal stories about your mistakes or your insecurities or money problems or your love life as this will get around the office (worse some may use them against you), nor should you gossip with the PA’s or talk trash about team members because this will get back to the partners.

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By: Good morning https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/my-dream-vac-scheme-wasnt-what-i-expected/#comment-1193601 Mon, 24 Jun 2024 11:02:38 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206241#comment-1193601 Let this be a lesson for you. When you are a student and before you have any real work experience in a city law firm, there is a tendency to believe it is the greatest job on the planet. Look at LinkedIn – an endless stream of ridiculous posts humbly bragging about how they have bagged a TC and how life will be wonderful. Fast forward 2 years and no one feels the same way. This job is well paid and it’s well paid for a reason. It’s terrible most of the time. You need to understand that once you step foot in the door you are a cow and your time is milk. Nothing more.

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By: Wigmore https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/my-dream-vac-scheme-wasnt-what-i-expected/#comment-1193600 Mon, 24 Jun 2024 10:47:55 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206241#comment-1193600 Some partners are cold and you’re worried?

Sure this comment will get loads of thumbs down in this day and age of safe spaces from real life, but really…

Toughen up buttercup.

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By: Anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/my-dream-vac-scheme-wasnt-what-i-expected/#comment-1193599 Mon, 24 Jun 2024 10:43:30 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206241#comment-1193599 In reply to Anon.

I did a vac scheme at slaughters a few years ago and the partners were generally friendly. It obviously varies but the partners in the department I sat in proactively organised chats and seemed interested. My experience may not have been the norm but it’s worth remembering that there are good people everywhere.

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By: Go with your gut instinct https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/my-dream-vac-scheme-wasnt-what-i-expected/#comment-1193597 Mon, 24 Jun 2024 10:02:45 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206241#comment-1193597 It is a red flag but so many other law firms are like this too. But it’s not necessarily better at other firms where the lawyers pretend to be nice to your face and talk trash about you behind your back. Trainees can also be very competitive and the first to throw you under the bus. In this market, take what you can and know that post-qualification you can move around.

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By: realist https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/my-dream-vac-scheme-wasnt-what-i-expected/#comment-1193596 Mon, 24 Jun 2024 09:40:09 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206241#comment-1193596 Concerning how many comments seem to insist this is normal. There’s an important difference between being cold and being busy. The latter can exist without the former, as all you need to do is politely communicate that you are in busy. There is no case where this comes off as cold.

Many moons ago I did vac schemes at a MC firm and an elite US firm, and though I could tell everyone was busy, everyone still made time for me. In both cases, this included partners approaching me to ask how I was getting on and to arrange (and follow up on) coffee chats with me. This applied to both transactional teams and advisory teams.

Maybe I just got lucky. But both firms I went to had reputations for being harsh (the US firm in particular). I would take this as a very significant indicator of what the general atmosphere at the firm is like.

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By: Kirkland NQ https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/my-dream-vac-scheme-wasnt-what-i-expected/#comment-1193595 Mon, 24 Jun 2024 09:30:50 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206241#comment-1193595 Legal Cheek keep refusing to publish my dilemma, so let me seek advice here.

It’s Lambo renewal time and the other day my model girlfriend mentioned getting a Urus, talking about how good they are, in particular the size of the boot and back seat, that they can hold more than two people. I refused – Lambos are two seats or nothing.

Then the other day she started leaving brochures for mansions in Surrey around the Chelsea townhouse. She even started talking about waiting lists for Harrow and Eton, and how long they are.

Is she hinting something?

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By: Anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/my-dream-vac-scheme-wasnt-what-i-expected/#comment-1193594 Mon, 24 Jun 2024 09:28:46 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206241#comment-1193594 Law firm partners are under a lot of pressure. Many of them are also, to put it kindly, not what you’d call “people people”. This is often particularly pronounced in “hard thinking” teams like Tax and Competition. And firms have an ultra hierarchical culture, with them at the top and you at the bottom.

Consequently many partners have no natural inclination, time or other incentive to pretend to be friendly (and tbh this is often even more excruciating than them being cold and aloof).

It’s no reflection on you or the particular firm*, it’s just City law.

*if the firm is Slaughters there are less extreme versions out there.

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By: Anony https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/my-dream-vac-scheme-wasnt-what-i-expected/#comment-1193592 Mon, 24 Jun 2024 08:50:49 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206241#comment-1193592 If you only spent a week there, chances are you only sat in one department? I think the culture varies massively depending on department. The two departments I sat in on my vac scheme felt like two different firms! You may sometimes get NQs who are more cold and uptight than partners, sometimes the opposite. Don’t read into it too much, but don’t ignore it. It might be the case that this experience means you go for the same firm but maybe choose not to sit in that department? If you have any other vac schemes coming up then that might be helpful for you to compare but either way it’s not conclusively indicative of what your experience at the firm will be like as a trainee and beyond. Ultimately, you’re always gonna have to take a risk and trust that the firm is what they say they are even if you had a positive experience. For what it’s worth, there there are very few people who have a 100% mind blowingly positive sunshine rainbow experience on their vac scheme, as it’s ultimately a high pressure workplace but stay friendly, stay curious and enthusiastic and you will be fine wherever you go!

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