Comments on: Why it’s not too late to save the SQE https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/why-its-not-too-late-to-save-the-sqe/ Legal news, insider insight and careers advice Thu, 20 Jun 2024 06:14:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: Norman the Conqueror https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/why-its-not-too-late-to-save-the-sqe/#comment-1193362 Thu, 20 Jun 2024 06:14:21 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205740#comment-1193362 In reply to Archibald O’Pomposity.

Passive aggressive?

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By: Archibald O'Pomposity https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/why-its-not-too-late-to-save-the-sqe/#comment-1193131 Sat, 15 Jun 2024 19:16:58 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205740#comment-1193131 In reply to .

Were you given a name at birth? If so, would you care to use it when commenting publicly?

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By: Deed U No https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/why-its-not-too-late-to-save-the-sqe/#comment-1192934 Thu, 13 Jun 2024 10:37:26 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205740#comment-1192934 MCQ’s]]> I ❤️ MCQ’s

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By: … https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/why-its-not-too-late-to-save-the-sqe/#comment-1192912 Wed, 12 Jun 2024 22:38:05 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205740#comment-1192912 In reply to Diane.

No it’s not Diane.

First. Your comment. Who said the SQE was perfectly fine? Have a read again of the comments – apply that properly legally trained mind.

Second. Senior status (sir, honourable, idk how to address you). “Sumption could have been even better if he read law, who knows”. There we go, you are right, who knows?, let’s therefore make it obligatory that everyone studies law. End of.

Mind you, these are people who are so good at law that as judges and even as barristers they have an impact on the direction of the law itself. We are talking about solicitors here… I’m a solicitor and could be doing the job I’m doing now without the GDL – there’s no magic, just be moderately bright enough and give up your evenings and weekends 🙂

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By: Archibald O'Pomposity https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/why-its-not-too-late-to-save-the-sqe/#comment-1192903 Wed, 12 Jun 2024 18:48:40 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205740#comment-1192903 In reply to Law with senior status senior associate.

“Sumption could have been even better if he read law, who knows.”

His legal acumen, I think we’d all agree, was/is way above average in the profession. Hardly a valid argument in favour of insisting on a law degree in order to maintain standards, you daft sod.

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By: Archibald O'Pomposity https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/why-its-not-too-late-to-save-the-sqe/#comment-1192900 Wed, 12 Jun 2024 18:45:28 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205740#comment-1192900 In reply to Anonymous.

“People from Ukraine and Syria”

What is your problem with that, friend?

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By: Diane https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/why-its-not-too-late-to-save-the-sqe/#comment-1192889 Wed, 12 Jun 2024 14:31:35 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205740#comment-1192889 In reply to *Elite BS.

Extremely bright non-law graduates would be able to navigate any qualification pathway you put in front of them. That doesn’t mean the system doesn’t need changing. It’s like saying the SQE is perfectly fine because supreme court judges would be able to pass it.

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By: Jane https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/why-its-not-too-late-to-save-the-sqe/#comment-1192839 Wed, 12 Jun 2024 07:32:21 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205740#comment-1192839 Multiple choice is not the way to go. I would prefer a mixture of MCQ and more usual type of law questions.

Kaplan should allow the big providers like BPP and UoL to block book their candidates for the exam and take the fees from their candidates so students do not have to deal with Kaplan at all as that is part of the problem – hours trying to log on, book etc etc.

Kaplan’s contract should have much harsher liquidated damages if even one student finds its paper was not marked – some people have not had marks included for sections of the paper which is unacceptable and told some they had failed when they had not so they lost their TC. Firms should not have to assume Kaplan has it wrong! I know one good firm where 25% of TC were withdrawn.

I would like to know if contextual candidates with sponsored TCs are the ones of the sponsored set of trainees who are failing or not.

50% failed the Finals course I did in the 80s. 50% failed the LPC and about 50% fail SQE so nothing new there. If most students who have done well in all exams their whole lives are failing however then there is an SQE fault.

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By: Jane https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/why-its-not-too-late-to-save-the-sqe/#comment-1192837 Wed, 12 Jun 2024 07:22:44 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205740#comment-1192837 In reply to SQE student.

Yes, this is the point – it means people are led up the garden path – they think wow I can qualify after my 2 years of work at the citizen’s advice doing voluntary work and after my level 7 diploma in rock studies can self study for SQE1 and 2. The person passes BUT they have been sold a pup – they qualify but can never get a job. This is in a way worse than the older system.

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By: Law with senior status senior associate https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/why-its-not-too-late-to-save-the-sqe/#comment-1192807 Tue, 11 Jun 2024 19:27:27 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205740#comment-1192807 In reply to *Elite BS.

Sumption could have been even better if he read law, who knows.

Just because a non-law degree has helped someone intellectually grow (as any discipline at any decent uni would – hopefully), it doesn’t mean you can do away with learning how to think like a jurist and engage in legal reasoning.

Do a degree that you like – but that shouldn’t mean you can skip (or cram in the form of the willy nilly GDL) a full-time degree.

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By: Josephine https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/why-its-not-too-late-to-save-the-sqe/#comment-1192793 Tue, 11 Jun 2024 18:02:22 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205740#comment-1192793 In reply to _.

Don’t forget that LPC has been around for decades, anything new is always at the primacy and will require time to adjust to perfection, let’s give SQE chance because it offers a greater opportunity to aspiring lawyer unlike LPC route.

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By: *Elite BS https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/why-its-not-too-late-to-save-the-sqe/#comment-1192769 Tue, 11 Jun 2024 15:35:53 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205740#comment-1192769 In reply to Elite US.

Do you also think Jonathan Sumption is a less capable lawyer, KC, Supreme Court judge for not having a law degree?

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By: Magic circle is the way https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/why-its-not-too-late-to-save-the-sqe/#comment-1192756 Tue, 11 Jun 2024 14:06:01 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205740#comment-1192756 In reply to Elite US.

you flop. did some non law law in ur cohort get a better mark than u and ur upset? Did they not raise the salary at ur ‘elite’ US firm? Boohoo. Enjoy working all weekends.

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By: Mark https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/why-its-not-too-late-to-save-the-sqe/#comment-1192747 Tue, 11 Jun 2024 12:46:31 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205740#comment-1192747 In reply to Anon.

The writer does not seem to understand the difficulties of publishing pass rates, where many students use multiple providers and at the same time need to select only one provider with whom they have trained, at the time of their booking rather that when they sit the exam. I can’t see how the SRA can publish any reliable data under such circumstances.

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By: Anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/why-its-not-too-late-to-save-the-sqe/#comment-1192745 Tue, 11 Jun 2024 12:36:44 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205740#comment-1192745 In reply to Anonymous.

This country has always allowed those without Law Degrees to become lawyers. The SQE hasn’t changed this.

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By: Elite US https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/why-its-not-too-late-to-save-the-sqe/#comment-1192739 Tue, 11 Jun 2024 11:15:10 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205740#comment-1192739 The legal profession shouldn’t allow non-law graduate to become solicitors of this country. If you don’t read law in your first degree it’s fine – return to uni and complete a JD.

There are too many solicitors and quality control is key to maintain standards.

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By: Agree https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/why-its-not-too-late-to-save-the-sqe/#comment-1192734 Tue, 11 Jun 2024 09:01:39 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205740#comment-1192734 ]]> In reply to SQE student.

THIS ☝🏼

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By: SQE student https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/why-its-not-too-late-to-save-the-sqe/#comment-1192733 Tue, 11 Jun 2024 08:54:28 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205740#comment-1192733 I don’t think “ The concept of qualifying work experience instead of the training contract has removed a huge bottle neck” is the correct statement and is seen as advantage of SQE. The bottle neck has moved to the NQ level and paralegals who couldn’t get a TC were led to believe that with SQE they can break into the profession but sadly, employers would still not consider them for NQ roles and keep the standardised training contract route

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By: Anonymous https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/why-its-not-too-late-to-save-the-sqe/#comment-1192732 Tue, 11 Jun 2024 08:53:52 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205740#comment-1192732 The whole idea of the SQE is incredibly stupid! Allowing people without law degrees AND without being in the UK to qualify should be out of discussion! Would you allow a doctor without a medical degree to operate on you, just because they passed some exams?! NO! I literally have freaking hairdressers on my SQE1 prep course who are attempting the exam. I have people from Ukraine and Syria on my course! It just proves no one cares about the profession and SRA is ONLY interested in lining their pockets!!!

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By: _ https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/why-its-not-too-late-to-save-the-sqe/#comment-1192731 Tue, 11 Jun 2024 08:21:52 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205740#comment-1192731 The SQE was a nice idea in theory but has been awful in practice. Given the state of the legal profession’s regulators that was entirely predictable. Say what you want about the vocational law schools but they are competent and ran a functional training regime in the LPC

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By: Worried lecturer https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/why-its-not-too-late-to-save-the-sqe/#comment-1192729 Tue, 11 Jun 2024 08:08:47 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=205740#comment-1192729 The problem is Kaplan. It might not be too late to save the SQE now but it probably will be in 8 years time after their contract for handling the exam has come to an end.

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