Comments on: Dealing with the mental ‘shockwave’ of the SQE https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/03/dealing-with-the-mental-shockwave-of-the-sqe/ Legal news, insider insight and careers advice Tue, 26 Mar 2024 18:38:34 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: Anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/03/dealing-with-the-mental-shockwave-of-the-sqe/#comment-1188010 Tue, 26 Mar 2024 18:38:34 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=202708#comment-1188010 The SRA has the cheek to bang on about wellbeing and mental health under their codes and guidance, but the distress the Sqe is causing to people is shameful. Bright individuals are being treated by the SRA with contempt and mistrust even before they have entered the profession. They are made to sign NDAs, they have cameras filming their every move and need to go through multiple id checks every time they leave their desk during the exams – even for the toilet! This is a very poor way to start any relationship. The exams are nothing like real life, competent individuals are failing! The sqe is a memory game that most qualified solicitors could no pass without looking up the law. The mental turmoil people are being put under just to enter the profession is a disaster waiting to happen. The Sra has been warned numerous times and will be to blame when this disaster materialises… worse still the brains that introduced the sqe at the SRA are long gone, leaving others to pick up the mess.

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By: Tommo brassic https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/03/dealing-with-the-mental-shockwave-of-the-sqe/#comment-1187983 Tue, 26 Mar 2024 04:23:39 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=202708#comment-1187983 I done both the LPC and the SQE. The SQE is churning out incompetent lawyers.

It’s like giving a surgeon 120 multiple choice questions for open heart surgery education. Why did the SQE happen, to drop the standards of the process that quite rightly stopped useless squits not being able to secure training contracts.

Watch the solicitor disciplinary tribunal cases increase tenfold.

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By: Maggie https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/03/dealing-with-the-mental-shockwave-of-the-sqe/#comment-1187938 Mon, 25 Mar 2024 12:13:43 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=202708#comment-1187938 Are there any stats for the Self Study vs assisted study? And what is a good estimate of months for self study?

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By: Anonymous https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/03/dealing-with-the-mental-shockwave-of-the-sqe/#comment-1187761 Fri, 22 Mar 2024 11:42:27 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=202708#comment-1187761 It would be interesting to know the percentage of those taking the exam after “self-study”. Given the pass rate of the SQE is similar to the LPC, there would be a valid argument to say the SQE is easier to pass. There seems to be a lot of unnecessary hype around this.

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By: Anonymous https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/03/dealing-with-the-mental-shockwave-of-the-sqe/#comment-1187760 Fri, 22 Mar 2024 11:39:42 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=202708#comment-1187760 In reply to Concerned family member and law outsider.

Wait until they start the training contract.

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By: Anonymous https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/03/dealing-with-the-mental-shockwave-of-the-sqe/#comment-1187748 Fri, 22 Mar 2024 07:47:43 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=202708#comment-1187748 In reply to SQEShitShow.

It is merely a test of memory.

(Legal Cheek – my comment is erroneously being rejected as a duplication – is that an error around the word ‘memory’’)

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By: Anonymous https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/03/dealing-with-the-mental-shockwave-of-the-sqe/#comment-1187747 Fri, 22 Mar 2024 07:43:45 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=202708#comment-1187747 In reply to SQEShitShow.

It is merely a test of memory.

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By: Jules https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/03/dealing-with-the-mental-shockwave-of-the-sqe/#comment-1187729 Thu, 21 Mar 2024 22:51:18 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=202708#comment-1187729 I passed first time whilst working full time. During that year we renovated our home which resembled a building site for months on end. My mother and MIL were both seriously ill and I had a trapped nerve for weeks before, during and after the exam. I was too scared to say I had passed when I saw my results because it didn’t feel possible. I’m relieved but because I feel so sorry for those that failed I feel little satisfaction. I started SQE2 on Monday and I feel overwhelmed.

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By: Concerned family member and law outsider https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/03/dealing-with-the-mental-shockwave-of-the-sqe/#comment-1187727 Thu, 21 Mar 2024 22:28:51 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=202708#comment-1187727 I don’t study or practice law, but the fact I find myself on Legal Cheek reading these articles is rather telling.

My sibling held a training contact with a firm in London and, thankfully, passed the SQE last year. I witnessed their struggles over the year, including their deteriorating mental and physical health, which escalated to frankly dangerous levels leading up to the SQE1 and SQE2 exams. I was shocked to hear about the shambolic nature of these exams, from failed logistics at exam centres which I believe Legal Cheek has covered to the questionable exam philosophies such as choosing the “best answer” amongst a field of other answers that could still be deemed correct.

Something needs to change to make this exam not merely more reasonable and just but also more safe. It is no joke what this exam has put people through—especially young, promising, and hard-working people. And to all those who took the LPC or are already lawyers in practice, I encourage you to try out the questions yourself, imagining that the knowledge and experience you have accumulated has yet to come, before judging those who have shared the challenges and flaws of the new system and are calling for change. I wish I had enough law knowledge to approach the questions and understand exactly what my sibling and many others went through. But I don’t. Maybe you do.

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By: Anonymous https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/03/dealing-with-the-mental-shockwave-of-the-sqe/#comment-1187724 Thu, 21 Mar 2024 22:08:34 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=202708#comment-1187724 Can’t help feeling that everybody has a novel to write about themselves, and currently the new best seller is how I passed an exam in my personal circumstances. Surely this gen-z readers’ market will direct to something more intelligent than that when they get to their 30s, having had their middle age crisis so much earlier.

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By: Anonymous https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/03/dealing-with-the-mental-shockwave-of-the-sqe/#comment-1187721 Thu, 21 Mar 2024 21:42:52 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=202708#comment-1187721 The SRA released practice questions in the lead up to the exams which I diligently used as part of my preparation. I felt buoyed by my performance on these (scoring 70-80%) and felt quietly confident going into the real exams, having spent hours and hours on top of my full time job revising for. However, I felt blindsided and deflated by the exams – how can the same organisation that write the real things produce practice material that was so far off, so different? Weeks of feeling sick and anxious ensued as I awaited my results and I luckily passed – scraped through by 1 or 2 questions that I fortunately answered correctly. The least they can do is give us material that will actually prepare us and give us an actual insight into what we’d experience. If you want to make the exams that hard, fine, but don’t let prospective solicitors be lulled into a false sense of security.

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By: Annoyed https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/03/dealing-with-the-mental-shockwave-of-the-sqe/#comment-1187694 Thu, 21 Mar 2024 15:53:30 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=202708#comment-1187694 In reply to Sarah.

I’m really tired of people trying to put their two cents in and say ‘it’s just an exam!! It’s meant to be hard’. Most people aren’t complaining about the sqe because we have to revise a little harder. I worked until 2am at Kirk’s as a paralegal getting paid 35k and my mental health was in a much better place than it was doing the SQE. It’s not about people disliking hard work.

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By: Esko Mauno https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/03/dealing-with-the-mental-shockwave-of-the-sqe/#comment-1187693 Thu, 21 Mar 2024 15:53:25 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=202708#comment-1187693 In reply to Sarah.

two variations on a theme in response to your comment:

(1) “tell me you’ve never studied the LPC without telling me you’ve never studied the LPC”

(2) what is it about the SQE that makes those who studying/sitting it feel they can denigrate the achievements of those who sat the LPC and previous exams? none of the three are/were easy and none are achieved solely by attendance.

I’ve never heard any senior lawyer who took Law Society Finals call the LPC “easy” – and this is a generation of lawyers who found out if they had passed or failed the exams when the results were published in The Times.

what I *have* heard, however, from qualified lawyers of all levels (including my firm’s clients) is the concern that the SQE is testing future lawyers on an aspect of legal practice (memory) that isn’t relevant in the 2020s

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By: Anonymous https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/03/dealing-with-the-mental-shockwave-of-the-sqe/#comment-1187692 Thu, 21 Mar 2024 15:46:07 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=202708#comment-1187692 Plenty of well rounded sponsored future trainees at top firms failed the LPC. The pass rate is not particularly different. It’s just easier to moan about something when it’s new.

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By: Sarah https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/03/dealing-with-the-mental-shockwave-of-the-sqe/#comment-1187675 Thu, 21 Mar 2024 13:17:04 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=202708#comment-1187675 Being a solicitor requires mental fortitude. Yes the SQE is a lot of hard work and you feel frazzled after but that’s life, whatever career path you choose. Mental wellbeing is important but that shouldnt mean nothing is difficuit or challenging any more. From what I gather, the LPC qualification was given to almost anyone who was willing to pay for it and stick out the course/turn up for the exams, which is the wrong attitude. For the record I did an SQE1 prep course alongside working full time and with young children and juggling childcare, and passed sqe1 and sqe2 first time (self studying for SQE2).

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By: JimGower85 https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/03/dealing-with-the-mental-shockwave-of-the-sqe/#comment-1187673 Thu, 21 Mar 2024 13:09:09 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=202708#comment-1187673 In reply to SQEShitShow.

Memory, that’s it.

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By: Concerned for all of us https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/03/dealing-with-the-mental-shockwave-of-the-sqe/#comment-1187672 Thu, 21 Mar 2024 13:08:55 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=202708#comment-1187672 We all need to have a serious chat about this. The SQE exam and life in big law firms – it’s no joke. You’re looking at a serious mental health toll, zero time for anything else, and anxiety creeping in at every turn. Trust me, I’ve been there.

Now, why am I bringing this up? Because I wish someone had told me before I dove in headfirst. Spending a fortune, sacrificing your youth, time, health, and personal life, only to find out it’s not sustainable? It’s a tough pill to swallow.

And here’s the kicker: because the process is so darn long, you end up discovering later that maybe law isn’t your thing after all. But by then, you’ve invested so much time and money, you feel like you need to see it through. Talk about a bitter pill.

So, to all you future lawyers gearing up for the SQE and LPC journey, take a step back and think. If I had known then what I know now, I’d have chosen differently. Maybe opted for a smaller firm or smaller practice area, explored other interests, kept my options open.

Don’t let the allure of prestige blind you to the reality of the situation. Your happiness and well-being matter more than any title or paycheck.

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By: Fellow survivor https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/03/dealing-with-the-mental-shockwave-of-the-sqe/#comment-1187661 Thu, 21 Mar 2024 12:10:16 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=202708#comment-1187661 Firstly, congratulations on passing! I could not have put it better myself – I was in a very similar situation. The first ever sittings of the SQE1 & 2 were my final solicitor apprenticeship assessments whilst working full time. Almost 2.5 years later and I’m still thinking about these exams. After qualification I took a sabbatical and it’s been the best decision I’ve ever made!

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By: SQEShitShow https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/03/dealing-with-the-mental-shockwave-of-the-sqe/#comment-1187657 Thu, 21 Mar 2024 12:04:03 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=202708#comment-1187657 I’m qualified and did the LPC. I know well rounded sponsored future trainees who have failed the SQE. They undoubtedly would have passed the LPC with flying colours. The SQE is a shit show. It’s clearly not working. I’m not sure what skills it is testing. It has clearly been created by crackhouse consultants who are so far removed from the reality of the industry. The SRA need to swallow their pride and U turn on this.

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By: SQE https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/03/dealing-with-the-mental-shockwave-of-the-sqe/#comment-1187627 Thu, 21 Mar 2024 09:50:08 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=202708#comment-1187627 I passed SQE 1 by miracle also (I went in fully conscious of the fact that I had not studied two of the topics, for reasons that do not matter here). Whilst everyone is different, I neither felt the stress on the day nor after, and the fact that it was a long exam was merely what it was. Assuming I am not entirely mad (!), I would add some comments to your final advice, if I may: (i) not all of it is new. Most of the stuff is GDL/LLB subject matter. Yes, there are some new topics but these are a minority; (ii) the number of questions and number of topics means that there are some 20 questions per topic, spread out over two days (e.g. 20 questions on contract, 20 on tort….). Not knowing one subject area well enough – or, in my case, two – is not the end of the world; (iii) PLAY THE ODDS. You are given 5 possible answers, meaning that you would expect someone with no knowledge of law to get 20% just at random. Narrowing down the possible answers will increase that probability. Get it down to two possibe ‘best’ answers and the probability of getting the right answer goes to 50%. You are better off guessing the outcome of a coin toss than you are guessing the outcome of a die roll; and (iv) to paraphrase Humpty Dumpty, the question is who is master: you or the SQE exam. Good luck to the next cohort!

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By: Anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/03/dealing-with-the-mental-shockwave-of-the-sqe/#comment-1187621 Thu, 21 Mar 2024 08:52:57 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=202708#comment-1187621 I passed last week and I still don’t feel settled. The amount of anxiety and stress will definitely have lasting effects. I’ve been diagnosed with alopecia and lost a lot of weight.

Everyone in my class looks burnt out and tired and we still have to deal with the unknown of the next exams.

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