Comments on: ‘I was diagnosed with autism during my training contract’ https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/12/i-was-diagnosed-with-autism-during-my-training-contract/ Legal news, insider insight and careers advice Mon, 12 Dec 2022 11:33:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: Amanda https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/12/i-was-diagnosed-with-autism-during-my-training-contract/#comment-1170056 Mon, 12 Dec 2022 11:33:55 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=181983#comment-1170056 great reading about real people with autism. I suspect my 3 year old could be autistic as he is yet to speak and communicate verbally. He sings nursery rhymes and can imitate speech sometimes but no communication. He enjoys playing in his company and has so much energy that he doesn’t even want to stay in nursery. I come from Nigeria where mental health is not a priority so services are not even available for actual support. I’ll be glad to meet people who have walked this path as I want to support my son in all ways possible to give him the best! thanks. I’ll be chatting you lifecoach.

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By: Gabby https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/12/i-was-diagnosed-with-autism-during-my-training-contract/#comment-1169960 Fri, 09 Dec 2022 12:32:29 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=181983#comment-1169960 In reply to Sarah.

Even with diagnosis there is little if any support. It depends on where you live.

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By: Counsel https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/12/i-was-diagnosed-with-autism-during-my-training-contract/#comment-1169912 Thu, 08 Dec 2022 21:21:01 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=181983#comment-1169912 I’m sure hidden neurodiversity is rife within the legal professions.

I have come across many people who
I am sure are on the spectrum in my 14 years doing the job.

My wife thinks that we may both be and we’ve done some informal tests that seem to indicate that it is so, but we are concerned that a formal diagnosis might be prejudicial.

We would value your opinion on that.

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By: Chancery https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/12/i-was-diagnosed-with-autism-during-my-training-contract/#comment-1169905 Thu, 08 Dec 2022 20:12:35 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=181983#comment-1169905 In reply to Anon.

I disclosed my autism and got pupillage. But I agree that there is a lot of misconceptions regarding autistic people at the Bar, although many barristers are clearly on the spectrum.

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By: Anonymous https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/12/i-was-diagnosed-with-autism-during-my-training-contract/#comment-1169904 Thu, 08 Dec 2022 19:22:00 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=181983#comment-1169904 In reply to Lewis.

Hi Lewis

Can I ask are you a life coach in the UK. I am ADHD diagnosed and considering being an ADHD coach but in the UK there are not as many opportunities as In the USA for instance.

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By: Anonymous https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/12/i-was-diagnosed-with-autism-during-my-training-contract/#comment-1169902 Thu, 08 Dec 2022 18:01:48 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=181983#comment-1169902 In reply to Lewis.

We are disabled by the unsupportive structures we are forced to exist in, and the refusal of services and workplaces to offer flexibility to our needs. That applies to physical, visible, and invisible differences.

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By: Tahoma 9 at single spacing https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/12/i-was-diagnosed-with-autism-during-my-training-contract/#comment-1169896 Thu, 08 Dec 2022 15:37:47 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=181983#comment-1169896 In reply to Reehan Acharya.

Why do you want “priority”?

Ask for understanding, support, whatever.

But priority?

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By: Anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/12/i-was-diagnosed-with-autism-during-my-training-contract/#comment-1169878 Thu, 08 Dec 2022 11:15:26 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=181983#comment-1169878 I know barristers at commercial chambers who didn’t disclose their neurodivergence diagnoses on their pupillage application forms.

I praise all who come forward to dispel myths about autism, but also worry that prejudice is rife within the legal profession.

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By: An autistic lawyer https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/12/i-was-diagnosed-with-autism-during-my-training-contract/#comment-1169875 Thu, 08 Dec 2022 10:47:26 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=181983#comment-1169875 In reply to Anonymous.

I don’t think treatment is the right term, and going through a “treatment” program is entirely inappropriate. It’s not like treating a physical sickness.

I went to an autistic school in my secondary years and it propelled me to become who I am today, an autistic lawyer. But this was as I was growing up, and it was a tough road to follow and affected my academic performance at the time. As an adult, I don’t think you can simply be treated and fix these things when you’ve grown up without the right support. It will always be difficult to manage and getting the right support is imperative to assist but no course is going to be a magic bullet.

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By: An autistic lawyer https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/12/i-was-diagnosed-with-autism-during-my-training-contract/#comment-1169874 Thu, 08 Dec 2022 10:39:10 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=181983#comment-1169874 In reply to Lewis.

As an autistic person, I am perfectly happy to refer to myself as having a disability or disorder. I don’t think they necessarily have the same connotation you suggest.
However, I do think there is space to educate neurotypical people that language needs to be used sensitively and it would be better to use other terms, like neurodivergent for example.

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By: Lee Bateman https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/12/i-was-diagnosed-with-autism-during-my-training-contract/#comment-1169867 Thu, 08 Dec 2022 07:41:19 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=181983#comment-1169867 Very well written and I agree with much of what you say.

I am a nurse in my forties diagnosed with ASD in childhood, then again in my late thirties when the NHS Neurodiversity Clinic I worked for as a Specialist wouldn’t accept and believe my diagnosis.

I wonder if there is another reason the legal profession can’t disclose?

My personal experience is that I have been denied the right to appear in court for legitimate purposes on two occasions. Legal staff representing me have felt I am unable to speak in court due to being on the spectrum which somehow means I lack credibility. This is despite being a published academic and nurse of more than 20 years. They understood ASD really well but this has been the position of a number of lawyers.

In the past I have appeared in court without issue as an expert witness. Although, for much of my adulthood I didn’t identify with my childhood diagnosis and disclose it.

I think in a legal setting based on my experience it is probably best not to be so open. To do so seems to strip you of the same rights as people who don’t disclose.

This is unjust, however if we have a system which weaponises ASD against us then we have to respond accordingly. This might involve mindfully masking in order to survive. I had to leave my job of 23 years due to not having the same legal opportunities as a result of diagnosis and disclosure.

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By: Helen https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/12/i-was-diagnosed-with-autism-during-my-training-contract/#comment-1169862 Wed, 07 Dec 2022 23:35:40 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=181983#comment-1169862 In reply to Anonymous.

Would you please explain why, you think a diagnosis is “well worth having”? Do you mean because of interventions that maybe available? Is this what you mean by a “course of treatment” please?

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By: Helen https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/12/i-was-diagnosed-with-autism-during-my-training-contract/#comment-1169861 Wed, 07 Dec 2022 23:04:43 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=181983#comment-1169861 😊]]> In reply to Lewis.

Very well chosen words, especially about the implication of autism being a disability. Hopefully we will be getting nearer to proving the ignorance of many people to thinking otherwise (often from pure judgement) very soon 👍😊

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By: Concetta Scrimshaw https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/12/i-was-diagnosed-with-autism-during-my-training-contract/#comment-1169860 Wed, 07 Dec 2022 22:16:11 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=181983#comment-1169860 In reply to Reehan Acharya.

Hello, it’s Concetta here – please drop me a LinkedIn message to chat further!

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By: Sarah https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/12/i-was-diagnosed-with-autism-during-my-training-contract/#comment-1169859 Wed, 07 Dec 2022 19:21:39 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=181983#comment-1169859 In reply to Daniel.

Without diagnosis there is NO support

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By: Sarah https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/12/i-was-diagnosed-with-autism-during-my-training-contract/#comment-1169858 Wed, 07 Dec 2022 19:20:21 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=181983#comment-1169858 In reply to Anonymous.

I’m a 41 year old person with autism. I hope your workplace is supportive. Xx

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By: Anonymous2 https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/12/i-was-diagnosed-with-autism-during-my-training-contract/#comment-1169857 Wed, 07 Dec 2022 17:27:48 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=181983#comment-1169857 In reply to Anonymous.

What course had these people done?

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By: Anonymous https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/12/i-was-diagnosed-with-autism-during-my-training-contract/#comment-1169849 Wed, 07 Dec 2022 13:12:14 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=181983#comment-1169849 An autism diagnosis by a professional psychiatrist is well worth having, as is a course of ‘treatment’ to help understand how to fit in well with neurotypical people, without causing distress all round. Left untreated, lives may be destroyed due to poor social interactions, anxiety and stress, regardless of ability. Let me give three examples:

I know of a person obviously very highly autistic and exceedingly intelligent to the extent that they went through a book entitled General Degree Pure Mathematics, aged 15, doing all the exercises, and proving to others that they really did understand it. In all other areas, including languages and d.i.y., it was a similar story. Anything they put their mind to they excelled at; whether it was rebuilding a motorcycle engine, with no prior knowledge, such that it performed like new; beating graduate computer programmers when they’d never programmed before, or learning German and Italian to high standard, entirely self-taught. Where are they now? Nowhere! Doing work fit for school dropouts because others don’t feel comfortable in their presence, and vice-versa. No real understanding of how others make friends and enjoy hanging out together, or over the way human emotions such fear, anxiety and depression do sometimes prevent others from behaving logically and acting in their own best interests. A course, however, would very likely have transformed everything, both for themselves and those around them; very much for the better.

Only six years ago, as a private tutor, I met someone classified as autistic and having been on such a course; they were absolutely charming and would fit in anywhere! About a couple of months ago, I met another such person, and exactly the same applied! A course to educate such people is almost as important as the the diagnosis itself, in my opinion.

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By: Hayley https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/12/i-was-diagnosed-with-autism-during-my-training-contract/#comment-1169848 Wed, 07 Dec 2022 13:04:22 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=181983#comment-1169848 I got diagnosed at the age of 39, but as having Aspergers. After reading up about the condition and seeing that is now under the umbrella of Autism, I identify as Autistic. It explained and and answered so much for me, from being bullied at school and work to how I come across to others and why. The best thing is no more masking, I certainly don’t miss that!
It came about after a very challenging placement when I was attempting to do my nurse training (didn’t finish it because of the issues and the knock on effects of it) and a documentary on BBC 1, Am I Autistic? So much of it resonated with me that I got things rolling. I also, through Occupational Health had an assessment for Dyspraxia and that came up positive as well. Although these are classed as disabilities, I only find some of my traits disabling, and the attitudes of others. I am who I am. Sure I need help with certain things, processing too much information or stuff said to me too fast is very challenging, as is interpreting every day life and communication which tends to make learning difficult for me. Now I just accept it and crack on with life. I still rely on antidepressants but now they are more to treat a trait rather than a condition.

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By: Anonymous https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/12/i-was-diagnosed-with-autism-during-my-training-contract/#comment-1169847 Wed, 07 Dec 2022 13:02:23 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=181983#comment-1169847 In reply to Lewis.

I won’t comment on whether autistic people are disabled as that is not my place, but this comment implies that disability and being disabled are bad things. Disability is not inherently bad and there is nothing wrong with being disabled. Many disabled people are proud of their identity.

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By: Paul https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/12/i-was-diagnosed-with-autism-during-my-training-contract/#comment-1169846 Wed, 07 Dec 2022 12:39:06 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=181983#comment-1169846 Diagnosed at 54. Suddenly many things make more sense. We are all individuals who have our own challenges but one thing we have in common, in my opinion, is that we have some problems with elements of life that NT people don’t. Diagnosis can help understanding. Great if you are able to share with your employer and get support. I am about to find out if it is all talk, having shared with one of the partners in my firm this week.

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