Comments on: British firms cannot avoid the Wolves of Law Street https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/08/british-firms-cannot-avoid-the-wolves-of-law-street/ Legal news, insider insight and careers advice Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:19:18 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: Long term legal observer https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/08/british-firms-cannot-avoid-the-wolves-of-law-street/#comment-1165264 Thu, 18 Aug 2022 09:46:53 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=178470#comment-1165264 In all honesty there are very few US firms which practices are on par with MC firms. MC are full service firms and because of that it’s natural that the overall profitability isn’t as stellar as certain US firms which focus predominantly on PE and levfin (areas which generate the most fees).

There is no doubt that US firms are doing extraordinarily well over the last decade as a result of the PE boom. I think the PE boom isn’t going to end in the near term however, when that ends things are going to be ugly for US firms because all they have all their eggs in one basket but are not otherwise diversified sufficiently to withstand any economic downturn.

I’ve seen a strong push by US firms to build their competition, IP and restructuring/insolvency offerings. With the exception of K&E and L&W I honestly can’t think of a US firm that has succeeded in the fields mentioned.

Trainees/junior associates tend to believe that pay alone determines the prestige and market standing of a firm. This is bollocks, and reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of the legal market. Time will prove them wrong.

Last but not least, if asked whether MC firms would lose their relevance in the near future, the answer would be a solid no. US firms can whisk away avaricious MC associates but the spirit of MC firms is what will continue the English legacy.

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By: Anonymous https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/08/british-firms-cannot-avoid-the-wolves-of-law-street/#comment-1165247 Wed, 17 Aug 2022 20:39:26 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=178470#comment-1165247 ]]> In reply to Kirkland NQ.

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But obviously that was deliberate, right? Because if your partner caught you making those mistakes… it’s game over😬

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By: Milo Pup https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/08/british-firms-cannot-avoid-the-wolves-of-law-street/#comment-1165228 Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:17:24 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=178470#comment-1165228 Always enjoy the Insider’s articles – look forward to the next!

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By: Last recession survivor https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/08/british-firms-cannot-avoid-the-wolves-of-law-street/#comment-1165214 Wed, 17 Aug 2022 07:45:40 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=178470#comment-1165214 In reply to Chewed up and spat out.

While you were still secondary school, some of us were in the real world during the last big recession. The market was awash of junior lawyers desperate having been made redundant. I recall very clearly real estate, corporate lawyer being let go from every firm around the country.

Granted under-performing senior associate’s were too! With the huge wages at the junior end they are less profitable and more disposable then they have ever been. You really thing firms won’t be ruthless if they have to be?

On the other hand employment, litigation and insolvency lawyers will be quids in!

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By: Swing https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/08/british-firms-cannot-avoid-the-wolves-of-law-street/#comment-1165210 Wed, 17 Aug 2022 05:21:20 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=178470#comment-1165210 In reply to Not boring, a well reasoned piece.

Economic nationalism / protectionism is the only answer. The Magic Circle will be gone in a decade.

Throw out the US firms, force foreign law firms to employ only UK qualified lawyers.

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By: Chewed up and spat out https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/08/british-firms-cannot-avoid-the-wolves-of-law-street/#comment-1165200 Tue, 16 Aug 2022 15:42:09 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=178470#comment-1165200 In reply to Last recession survivor.

Clueless.

If a recession hits then M&A, real estate etc. doesn’t grind to a halt. Distressed acquisitions and group restructurings become commonplace, litigation increases.

Firms may reduce their trainee intake and retention rates may drop to around 70%. The greatest sufferers are not going to be NQs but probably senior associates and support staff, though the latter has decreased over the last few years due to working patterns anyway.

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By: Last recession survivor https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/08/british-firms-cannot-avoid-the-wolves-of-law-street/#comment-1165196 Tue, 16 Aug 2022 15:07:26 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=178470#comment-1165196 The bubble will burst very soon. All those juniors on this ridiculous salaries will be made redundant and scrambling to join your Pinsents of the world

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By: Hahahahahahaha https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/08/british-firms-cannot-avoid-the-wolves-of-law-street/#comment-1165183 Tue, 16 Aug 2022 11:48:11 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=178470#comment-1165183 Let this not distract us from the news that Mischon spent £12m preparing for its failed IPO – check City AM. What a clown firm

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By: Realist https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/08/british-firms-cannot-avoid-the-wolves-of-law-street/#comment-1165181 Tue, 16 Aug 2022 11:19:16 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=178470#comment-1165181 I have pasted a summary of the differences between US firms and UK firms in London here: https://pastebin.com/EZV2Tyim, because I didn’t want to spam the comments with a massively long list of text. It may be informative for people considering where to accept TC offers, or NQ positions.

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By: Legal Cheek let me write an article pls https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/08/british-firms-cannot-avoid-the-wolves-of-law-street/#comment-1165180 Tue, 16 Aug 2022 10:18:59 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=178470#comment-1165180 In reply to ?.

I think it’s (trying to) making the following points:
1. US firms are slowly taking over London
2. While U.S. forms expand in London, the magic circle has tried to break into the U.S. FBD + A&O have done better than say LL and CC but at the cost of potentially alienating their fee earners in London. Why? Because they pay Cravath in the U.S. and not near U.S. in London. Especially A&O.
3. In order to achieve point 1, the UK firms have had to change their remuneration structure, no longer lockstep (ie seniority) but instead, eat what you kill centric. This is good because it’s a “better business model” which resembles US power houses, but the question becomes: why do UK firms exist then if they copy American firms?
4. Finally, if the MC wants to regain and retain its notoriety depending on how you look at out, they must watch out not to lose the British mindset which is often seen as more collegial and for lack of a better word, gentlemanly.

Honestly, if you ask me, the MC is in a decline, it’s too bloated and I think that theyll slowly become like DLA Piper. If not, they’ll kill themselves or ruin their upcoming trainee cohorts by not posting London market rate and instead kamikazying into the US market….

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By: ? https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/08/british-firms-cannot-avoid-the-wolves-of-law-street/#comment-1165179 Tue, 16 Aug 2022 09:47:57 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=178470#comment-1165179 What is the point that this article is trying to make?

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By: Kirkland NQ https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/08/british-firms-cannot-avoid-the-wolves-of-law-street/#comment-1165178 Tue, 16 Aug 2022 09:42:54 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=178470#comment-1165178 Lol come back when you can afford a Lambo, losers! Magic Circle is the biggest joke I ever heard.

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By: Not boring, a well reasoned piece https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/08/british-firms-cannot-avoid-the-wolves-of-law-street/#comment-1165177 Tue, 16 Aug 2022 09:37:23 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=178470#comment-1165177 In reply to Legal Cheek fell off.

This is spectacular compared to what Legal Cheek usually put out….

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By: City insider 2 https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/08/british-firms-cannot-avoid-the-wolves-of-law-street/#comment-1165176 Tue, 16 Aug 2022 09:24:34 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=178470#comment-1165176 These British firms are making a huge mistake – they are essentially subsidising their US offices via their London office underpaying both associates and partners at the latter who are of a much higher calibre than the former. The effects of this will just be to push more talent in London away to US firms and they will only feel the effects in a few years when they are second rate on home soil.

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By: Anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/08/british-firms-cannot-avoid-the-wolves-of-law-street/#comment-1165172 Tue, 16 Aug 2022 08:36:33 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=178470#comment-1165172 In reply to Legal Cheek fell off.

If you think this is boring you might want to rethink a career in law – it’s not exactly exciting generally and certainly more boring day to day than reading this article.

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By: Legal Cheek fell off https://www.legalcheek.com/2022/08/british-firms-cannot-avoid-the-wolves-of-law-street/#comment-1165171 Tue, 16 Aug 2022 08:24:45 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=178470#comment-1165171 Really boring article

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